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If I were to say that Elbonians and rats have something in common - specifically their love of cheese, would that be seen as an insult to Elbonians?

Answer: Yes. While the point of the analogy is extraordinarily clear, and limited to a love of cheese, most people would wonder why I chose rats for the comparison when mice would have worked just as well. Mice are not nearly as insulting as rats.

Suppose you didn't know that I had contemplated using rats in my analogy. Instead, all you heard me say is that Elbonians and mice have something in common - specifically their love of cheese. Would that be seen as an insult to Elbonians?

Answer: Yes. No one wants to be like a mouse, even in a way that happens to be true for just about all mammals. Who doesn't like cheese?

Analogies are fighting words. When I was younger and dumber I often used analogies to try and make my point. This strategy worked exactly zero times. When people hear analogies, it flips a switch in their brains that turns on the crazy. Even the simplest analogies fail when you use them in an attempt to persuade. And they fail every time.

With that said, there are two proper times to use analogies. One way is in the service of humor. Humor is all about activating the crazy part of the brain.  If I say I witnessed more horrible things than Charlie Sheen's cat, your brain leaves your logical mode behind. The analogy sets you free.

The second proper time to use analogies is when you want to cause trouble. You should not try this at home. Leave it to the professionals. For example, when you hear Glen Beck or Rush Limbaugh getting a lot of heat for something they said, often there is an objectionable analogy at the heart of it. The most famous example is Limbaugh's coining of the word feminazi. If your job involves making people talk about you, analogies can be powerful tools.

[Update: As if on cue, a serious debate turns into a discussion of the appropriateness of the analogy instead. And notice how well analogies work in the service of humor in this example.]
 
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Mar 25, 2011
You are dead on about analogies. You recently created an excellent example: http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2011/03/24/scott-adams-to-mens-rights-activists-dont-bother-arguing-with-women-theyre-like-children/

Scroll down & find "what what what" and you'll notice that they're objecting to an analogy.

Way to learn your own lesson!

(On the other half of things, I'm disappointed you deleted that post. I thought it was a great post which nicely demonstrated that in some cases, we're really quite close (if not exactly) at a gender neutral state)
 
 
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Mar 15, 2011
Only recently did I wise up on the fact that analogies have never helped me to win an argument. I'm glad that you're now spreading said wisdom!
 
 
Mar 14, 2011
I think what your were getting at, is an artifact of general human male strength. The strong have an obligation to the weak. With power comes responsibility. That sort of thing. Often, but not limited to, males. Bad analogies, then.

Hulk have rights too! Arggh!

See, another bad analogy: Hulk have no responsibility!
 
 
Mar 14, 2011
@trentib69:
I would not buy an iPhone either, just passing along the analogy. You will agree that the iPhone is 'perceived' as the one to beat in that market. They were saying that their product was smaller, faster, cooler.
 
 
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Mar 14, 2011
@trentb69
That would have been so cute! Except that it's not *my* position, it's the position of Adam's analogy.

The right way to have done that would have been to stridently and insincerely back me up in my outrage, with maybe a patronizing "dear" at the end. "Dear" is always a reliable signifier of insincerity. In fact, a simple "yes, dear" would have been even better.

That's ok, though, I don't think you're worth arguing with either. This blog and its community are pretty clearly not my scene, and I don't plan to visit again.
 
 
Mar 14, 2011
@lilyb
I agree with you...
women, children and the mentally handicapped all share that they are *fundamentally not worth expending the energy to argue with.*
 
 
Mar 14, 2011
@sonofsaturn
How is the I-PHONE TOP OF IT'S CLASS... I will not be purchasing the new nuclear reactors for just this reason... I don't want to blow up... or spend worthless money on bad aps for my reactor... the tetris on my current reactor works fine
 
 
Mar 13, 2011
Hi, Scott,
Just dropped in to recommend this book to you:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mind's_I

Not to be spammy; thought if you'd missed it you'd still like to read it.

Have fun with the, uh, current situation.. :>]
 
 
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Mar 13, 2011
"Proof by analogy is fraud" -- Bjarne Stroustrup

Analogies may be useful and enlightening if someone is open, inquisitive and honestly wants to understand. But they are seldom (as in almost never) persuasive if someone has already made up their mind --then it is like poking them in the eye with a hot badger.
 
 
Mar 12, 2011
I would add a third category- when you make something look better or cooler by comparing to something at the top of it's class.

For example I just read about how the new, small nuclear reactors are the ''iPhone of nuclear reactors".
 
 
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Mar 11, 2011
"When people hear analogies, it flips a switch in their brains that turns on the crazy. "

Oh yeah, *that's* what happened when you compared women to children and the mentally handicapped in your now-deleted post about men's rights. People just had "the crazy" magically flipped on by the mere *presence* of an analogy. That is quite a power analogy has. Analogy should certainly be weaponized by the military.

Oh, no wait. It was just the you accidentally chose an unflattering comparison to make your point? Like the rats and the Elbonians? It would have been ok if you'd just chosen some other notoriously cheese-loving, but socially respected type of creature?

Well, sure, if the point you'd been making about women, the mentally handicapped and children was that they all shared some neutral trait. Like, say, loving cheese.

But in fact the trait women, children and the mentally handicapped all shared in your analogy was that they are *fundamentally not worth expending the energy to argue with.*

This post may be even more disappointing than the original "men's rights" post. That one showed sexism, but heck, everyone -- male and female-- is sexist in some way, to some degree.

*This* post, though, shows a kind of intellectually contorted defensiveness that would be hilarious in a Dilbert bureaucrat, but is sad coming from Dilbert's creator.
 
 
Mar 11, 2011
Actually, from what I've seen in your cartoons/observations, its more of an insult to the rats and mice.
 
 
Mar 11, 2011
In my humble opinion, analogies are best used when trying explain plot scenarios based on science and/or completely fictitious science to an audience that more often than not has expertise on the subject.

e.g.

Space Officer A: If we charge the gamma circuits with plasma radiation long enough, The internal biometric generator will short circuit.

Space Officer B: Like a muffin left in the oven for too long!
 
 
Mar 11, 2011
Perhaps I missed a memo, but when I was in school analogies were supposed to be "like" the things you were explaining with them. That convention seems to have been dropped in favor of analogies that are over-the-top relative to the thing you are explaining.

Once I could explain that I didn't care for someone's pushy tactics by analogizing them to Huey Long or "a Chicago politician". Now it's apparently necessary to equate them to Genghis Khan to Adolph Hitler. It's just shocking how many Nazi analogies are out there, it's devaluing the incredible depravity of the Third Reich.

I can get that you don't like someone without calling them Hitler-esque.
 
 
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Mar 10, 2011
Ha ha - Abortions & Slavery are like the new Laurel & Hardy of comedy!
 
 
Mar 10, 2011
An analogy works when people can easily and unambiguously relate it to the issue being discussed. Sayings like, "You never miss the water until the well runs dry", or "A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush" work well in situations where it is obvious what the water, bird, hand, bush, etc. represent.

@kenseido: Your example of using a backyard pool to represent a nation's health care is a good example of a bad analogy. A backyard pool is something that only some people can have. It's not at all obvious how that would apply, since the US, UK and Canada all HAVE health care systems, the difference being how they are financed and implemented. Your friend sounds like she was trying to find a way to make it somehow relevant by introducing the concept of public versus private pools. Still not a great analogy, but a good friend to be willing to give it a try! :)
 
 
Mar 10, 2011
Understanding: Scott Readers:Not

or Understanding: Scott's Blog Not: Readers

or Stupid: is Stupid:does would be another example only related to the post because of scott's point about <crazy turned on> which I'm sure someone will argue I'm trying to call them stupid.

above is one form of anology.

<chuckle>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analogy Maybe you should do a little bit more reading maybe that would be effective.

Really a great post Scott. The entertainment is mostly in the comments though.
 
 
Mar 10, 2011
I especially enjoyed your comment in a previous post regarding 'sacrificing the pawn to nail the queen.'

THAT is an example of a very well used analogy!
 
 
Mar 10, 2011
I come here for the humor (Lol @ Charlie Sheen's Cat!) but I stay to troll in the comments. Every once in a while, however, you improve my cognitive skills an iota. Analogies are always infuriating in a debate, and I ineffectively try to use them all the time. You're a genius!
 
 
Mar 10, 2011
I've always found analogies, when properly constructed and presented, to be a very effective way to make a complex point while maintaining the audience's attention.
 
 
 
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