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If there's a theme to my blog posts, it's something along the lines of Complexity is Killing Us. The complexity of investment options is why you're afraid to put your money anywhere but inside an old sock. Complexity is why the healthcare system in the United States is apparently unfixable. Complexity is why scientists can't convince a large segment of the public to believe in evolution or global warming. Complexity is why your computer spends all morning begging you for updates instead of just doing what-the-frakk you want it to do. And lately, I've noticed that routine conversations have become too complicated.

In simpler times, I imagine conversations went like this:

Nobleman: "Hey, peasant, would you like a potato?"

Peasant: "Does it come with a beating?"

Nobleman: "A brief one. My arms are tired."

Peasant: "Then yes, I would like a potato."

These days, there's no such thing as a simple conversation. When you get a business call, it might start with a history of the industrial age, a complete explanation of some sort of technology, an exposition of budgetary limitations, a verbal sketch of the characters, a briefing on the politics of the situation, with a full accounting of the timing, the risks, the opportunity, so on. Sometimes you want to know all of that stuff, and you have the time to listen. Other times, you already have the information, or you don't have time to listen, or you're the wrong person. That's when you have to go for the interrupt. And interrupting is getting harder every year.

Thanks to complexity, and the impact it has on people's schedules, if you get a person's attention, you want to take advantage of it before your listener gets into an automobile accident, or has to run for another meeting, or his kid starts vomiting, or he simply can't hold his bladder one more minute. Your best strategy is to prevent the other person from talking - not a single peep - until you have said every last thing that you called to say. I believe this is a modern phenomenon. My guess is that in olden days it was customary to pause in your fire-hose-monologue now and then to let the other person ask for clarification, make a point, or just sigh. Now any pause introduces an unacceptable risk of a failed phone call. The interrupter's job is harder than ever.

I have experimented with ways to interrupt the fire-hose-monologue without seeming rude, but social conventions haven't evolved fast enough to provide a polite solution. So far, the best I have come up with is some variant on "Can I interrupt you?" But it always feels as if I just called someone a time-wasting windbag. And I've tried "Whoa, whoa," but it feels as if I'm scolding a horse.

I propose a new custom for interrupting when it's absolutely necessary. Make a beeping sound like a garbage truck when it backs up. That way it won't seem so personal. Try it and let me know how that works out for you.

 
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Jul 6, 2010
Scott I am disappointed with your misunderstanding of the global warming debate. All credible skeptics believe in a mild warming of a few tenths of a degree since the end of the little ice age. Where the debate is, is to what extent this is caused by humans and the likely hood of a potential catastrophe. I was also disappointed to see that in a previous post you effectively stating that no peer-reviewed papers exist doubting AGW alarm. This is untrue,

Scott, there are hundreds of credible peer-reviewed papers supporting skepticism of AGW alarm and extensive reports challenging the conclusions of the IPCC,

750 Peer-Reviewed Papers Supporting Skepticism of "Man-Made" Global Warming (AGW) Alarm
http://www.populartechnology.net/2009/10/peer-reviewed-papers-supporting.html

Climate Change Reconsidered (PDF) (868 pgs) (NIPCC)
http://www.nipccreport.org/reports/2009/pdf/CCR2009FullReport.pdf

Here are some of the most credentialed skeptics,

John R. Christy,
B.A. Mathematics, M.S. Atmospheric Science, Ph.D. Atmospheric Science, Professor of Atmospheric Science, University of Alabama in Huntsville (1991-Present), Director of the Earth System Science Center, University of Alabama in Huntsville, NASA Exceptional Scientific Achievement Medal (1991), American Meteorological Society’s Special Award (1996), Alabama State Climatologist (2000-Present), Fellow of the American Meteorological Society (2002-Present), IPCC Contributor (1992, 1994, 1996, 2007), IPCC Lead Author (2001)

Patrick J. Michaels,
A.B. Biological Sciences, S.M. Biology, Ph.D. Ecological Climatology, Virginia State Climatologist (1980-2007), Associate Professor of Environmental Sciences, University of Virginia (1986-1995), President, American Association of State Climatologists (1987-1988), Research Professor of Environmental Sciences, University of Virginia (1996-Present), IPCC Contributing Author and Reviewer

Richard S. Lindzen,
A.B. Physics (Harvard), S.M. Applied Mathematics (Harvard), Ph.D. Applied Mathematics (Harvard), Research Scientist, National Center for Atmospheric Research (1966-1967), Associate Professor and Professor of Meteorology, University of Chicago (1968-1972), Professor of Dynamic Meteorology, Harvard University (1972-1983), Director, Center for Earth and Planetary Physics, Harvard University (1980-1983), Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology, Department of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences, Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) (1983-Present), Fellow of the American Meteorological Society, Fellow of the American Geophysical Union, IPCC Lead Author (2001)

Roy W. Spencer,
B.S. Atmospheric Sciences, M.S. Meteorology, Ph.D. Meteorology, Research Scientist, University of Wisconsin (1982-1984), Senior Scientist for Climate Studies, NASA (1984-2001), NASA Exceptional Scientific Achievement Medal (1991), American Meteorological Society’s Special Award (1996), Principal Research Scientist, University of Alabama in Huntsville (2001-Present)

S. Fred Singer,
A.M. Physics (Princeton), Ph.D. Physics (Princeton), First Director, National Weather Satellite Center (1962-1964), First Dean of the School of Environmental and Planetary Sciences, University of Miami (1964-1967), Deputy Assistant Secretary (Water Quality and Research), U.S. Department of the Interior (1967-1970), Deputy Assistant Administrator, U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (1970-1971), Professor of Environmental Science, University of Virginia (1971-1994), Research Professor, Institute for Humane Studies at George Mason University (1994-2000)

Sherwood B. Idso,
B.S. Physics, M.S. Soil Science, Ph.D. Soil Science, Research Scientist, U.S.D.A. Agricultural Research Service (1967-2001), Editorial Board, Agricultural and Forest Meteorology Journal (1973-1993), Arthur S. Flemming Award (1977), Adjunct Professor of Geography and Plant Biology, Arizona State University (1984-2003), Editorial Board, Environmental and Experimental Botany Journal (1993-Present), President, Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change (2001-Present)

For the record I am a supporter of evolution.
 
 
Mar 22, 2010
I have heard the term, kidnap talkers applied to this situation. Kidnap talkers says it all about the talker.
 
 
Mar 17, 2010
What you are saying makes me think:

We have realized that in order to ensure we are on the same page when talking, it is necessary to be so specific in introducing your point that people are typically annoyed and tired before you can even begin to make your point to them.

Which is to say, not that the topics we have in our world these days are tiresome and hard to understand, but that humanity in general is a bunch of tired sissies who are too busy thinking about their own interests to deal with the world they have found themselves in. This is the view of the humans from the point of view of the ideas.

Like our sources of fuel, in which each step forward has brought higher energy output and also an increasingly higher level of toxic byproduct, the increasing intellectual content our complex world comes coupled with both surprising, helpful insights and also the massive downfall of not being able to explain those insights to anybody who lacks a PHD in the sciences.

Yay for us.
 
 
Mar 17, 2010
Just so everyone knows, I'll be using this topic as a spring-board into a work-related angry monologue (rant).

First, some prefacing -- like the above, since each paragraph (and document) should have a topic sentence, right? -- would be nice. Organize your thoughts as if you organize a report. Wait, we don't create technical/cost/schedule reports. We "create" PowerPoints. Okay, but let someone make comments BEFORE you advance slides.

Due to the nature of multiple offices within one company, we get mixed in-person/on-phone meetings. The people in-person talk so much and pay NO attention to the phone -- even if it were beeping -- that no one on-phone can make ANY kind of a point, especially to point out a technical/design error.

And if interrupting is difficult, it's even harder to keep others from interrupting you before something useful has been said. In-person, it's hard (for me, at least) to make an actual POINT without getting interrupted. One day, in a one-on-one argument (wasn't even a conversation), I got interrupted so many times -- this person just talks OVER me as if I don't exist -- that I finally said "shut up!" That got they're attention, all right. They left and haven't argued with me since. Anything to avoid (as someone else said) having to actually consider an opposing viewpoint by looking at the actual merits of my ideas (as if I could even communicate my full idea before getting cut off).

Either way, I see a total lack of respect for other people's viewpoints. And we're engineers! We should be scientific and open to peer critique!

I propose that the increase in complexity is tied to rampant selfishness (lack of respect don't ever want to be criticized) in society. Harder to deal with things because it's harder to deal with people because people are just that selfish.

There, I'm done.
 
 
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Mar 17, 2010
I find "cut to the chase" strangely amusing.
 
 
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Mar 17, 2010
My phone can be placed against a flat surface at a certain angle and it emits an EXTREMELY sharp and high-pitched screeching sound that will go on until I remove it. It's actually quite painful.

I do that. Make THEM hang on up ME.

I'm an enabler.
 
 
Mar 17, 2010
And when talking in person, I have the "Mr. T in your pocket" novelty key-chain.

/me presses button
Mr.T: SHUDDUP FOOL
 
 
Mar 17, 2010
In order:-
1. "Er..."
2. "Excuse me?"
3. Hang up.
 
 
Mar 17, 2010
Why are we in such a hurry these days that we can't just listen?
"You" might be amused at how shocked some folks will be if you actually listen to them (maybe even more so if you are able to comprehend what they are saying and acknowledge it :-).
The folks working telemarketing just get annoyed that you let them waste their time, but after a while the guilt might creep in over the fact that they are also wasting your time - in some ways, listening to the whole spiel is harder on them than a quick "no thanks"/hang-up.
 
 
Mar 17, 2010
My parents are big fans of Jane Austen and her literature... From her writing it appears that there have been people for centuries who won't let you participate in their monologues, and who evade any attempt at a graceful escape.
 
 
Mar 17, 2010
That blog entry was too complex....
 
 
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Mar 17, 2010
Please don't introduce ironic beeps into the English lexicon. Pretty please!!
 
 
Mar 17, 2010
The only problem with this is that if you are listening to someone who you can be rude enough to that you could make beeping noises in the middle of their conversation, you could just hang up (or just walk away if they are talking to you in person). Unfortunately, if you try that on your boss, or an important client or someone else you have to listen to regardless of what nonsense they are spouting, you will probably just get yourself in trouble.
 
 
Mar 17, 2010
I recently was called on the phone by a type of sales company (selling a service I had investigated a while back) - They had a new offering that sounded like something I may have been interested in but for very specific and clear reasons (to me at least) in my situation it was not a viable solution. Every time I tried to explain my situation and why the service would not work for me I was cut off and the exact same sales pitch was repeated to me verbatim.

Eventually I just shut my mouth as the sales person became more and more agitated, caught in a state between "close to sale" and "not able to close sale" mode, I finally came up with the line "May I speak now?" - to this seeming polite and simple comment the sales person promptly lost it and wished on me the most dire of consequences for me not selecting to buy into the sales pitch (which did not quite work for me anyhow)

I haven't tried the beeping noise, but my thought is that if a statement like "May I speak now" leads to such ire and venom that I doubt a beeping noise will perform much better! Having said that, I am always open to trying new things!
 
 
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Mar 17, 2010
it seems today that we ALL need to add context or frame a conversation before getting to the point, so having said that, maybe all of this monologue stuff is because we talk to many more people today than our "pre-internet" brethren? Just a thought...
 
 
Mar 17, 2010
I once read a story about a guy who used to travel on the train with his kid. To keep the child entertained he used to point out stuff of interest as they passed.

One day he spotted some rabbits in a field so he proclaimed excitedly “Hey Look!!! Rabbits!!”

Unfortunately he was on his own that day, and the rest of the passengers in his carriage didn’t seem as interested.

To this day I still like to use the ‘Hey look rabbits’ line (accompanied with a pointing gesture) to interrupt people.
 
 
Mar 17, 2010
If it's a telesales person, you don't have to be polite, just hang up.
If it's someone you have/want to get along with, hang up and immediately call back claiming accident: it's now your call and you have the floor until the other person manages to interrupt you.
 
 
Mar 17, 2010
Jerry Seinfeld nailed it; say your busy and ask for their home number and you will call them back....
 
 
Mar 17, 2010
Why would the peasant want a beaten potato.....is that a 'mashup'....?

I find the 'iSamJackson' app. quite good at interupting a monologue - "WTF", "shut up" etc.....
 
 
Mar 17, 2010
Have you tried this one? Hold up your hand like a traffic cop (remember those?) and say "Spare me the labor pains, just show me the baby!" Yes, rude, but gets them to the point or they leave in a huff, which also works. BTW, if it's a tele-marketer, just hang up on them. You don't owe them any explanations, period.
 
 
 
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