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I decided to start a new government for the United States. The current version had a good run. It was well suited for an age when the issues were simple, the masses were uneducated, and communication involved horses. Now the government is broken. It can't even balance the budget.

Perhaps you think I'm overstating the case. After all, the budget is just one of many things a government is supposed to do. That's true, in the same sense that making sure there is enough fuel in the airplane is just one of the things a pilot is supposed to do.  If the pilot can't keep the plane in the air, you don't care how well the flight attendants serve beverages. The United States hasn't crashed yet, but the fuel tank is empty and our economists are calculating a glide path to the nearest river.

Common sense tells us that any system designed in the 1770s will be suboptimal for modern times. But our common sense is thwarted when it comes to our own government because we've all been brainwashed as children, literally, to revere the genius of our Founding Fathers. Don't worry.  We'll keep all of the philosophical bits that inspired Jefferson, Adams, Franklin and the gang. We'll even strengthen the freedom part. The change will only involve the delivery system, or the gears of the machine, if you will. I think Jefferson would approve, and Franklin would have a total nerdgasm if he heard it.

The new government will be Internet based and require no actual politicians per se, except for the President. Citizens will vote for the laws they want, as often as they want, by Internet. Actually, voting is too strong a term. Think of it as a rolling opinion poll. There's no need for elections when the preferences of the people are continuously monitored in real time.

Call it a cloud government if you must, and it will have the following functions.

1.       Provide "jury nullification" for unconstitutional laws that the majority favors.

2.       Manage the outsourcing of most government functions to private industry.

3.       Manage the transparency of the system.

4.       Educate the public about the issues, using the tools of the Internet.

5.       Propose new laws and policies developed by independent experts.

6.       Manage the military.

Most of the actual decision-making would be directly in the hands of the public. Social policy would be determined by simple majorities, with perhaps a two-thirds majority needed to overturn any existing laws.

We can design and operate the new government in test mode, with full transparency, without disrupting the current one. It will take a few years to work out the wrinkles in the new system. During that time, none of its laws and policies will be implemented. It will be like an emergency backup government. When the day comes that two-thirds of the country wants to move to the new system, it will be up and running over night. No revolution needed.

So what's so great about this new system of government?

Keep in mind that we're still in brainstorming mode here. The system I describe today might be closer to awful than awesome. It's a collaborative process and you haven't weighed in yet. This is just the start.

The core principle of the Founding Fathers was freedom. In simple times, that meant little more than "Don't tell me what to do." Suppose we convene a panel of economists, psychologists, philosophers and other experts to update our notion of freedom, and to make it more quantifiable, so it can be measured and managed by this new government.

For example, a person who is unhealthy has less freedom, in a practical sense, than a person who is not. And a person who is poor has less freedom than someone who is rich. A person with no education has less freedom of choice, again in a practical sense, than someone who is educated. I think you could quantify freedom so you can measure the impact of any new law. The calculated result wouldn't be binding on the public, but it's helpful to know how your decisions impact everyone's freedom.

If you're worried that quantifying freedom leads to socialism, assume that the algorithm understands capitalism. No one can be free if the economy chokes out with high taxes or burdensome regulations. The advantage of an algorithm is that it automatically considers all sides of every issue. In our current system, pundits and politicians are free to debate the advantages of their ideas without mentioning the costs. The freedom algorithm considers all plans in their entirety.

Almost any issue can be cast in terms of freedom. If you increase taxes to pay for more police, the taxpayers lose some freedom because they have less money to spend. But they gain freedom to walk the streets without fear. And so on.

By now you are grinding your teeth and shouting to yourself that freedom is too squishy and subjective to be quantified. Special interests would game the system. Complicated models never work. And who decides on the assumptions that feed into it? It would just be a mess! You could be right about that. Remember that we're in the brainstorming phase.

But consider the way doctors quantify pain, on a scale of 1 to 10, as a way of determining what level of painkiller to give to patients. Some patients lie about their level of pain to get more meds. The patient's pain level can vary by the hour, as do the effectiveness of the meds. For cultural or gender reasons, one person's pain level of eight might be another person's four. And yet, despite being totally subjective and generally inaccurate, the 1 to 10 pain ranking is entirely useful. I could give you a hundred examples where measurements are flawed and yet the process of measuring yields something useful. I think the same could be true of freedom. Attempting to measure the net gain or loss in society's freedom will help to clarify any debate. Accuracy might be less important than the fact that we try to measure it at all.

After our system is up and running, we can license our cloud government's software to other countries looking for a change. Half of the countries in the world are looking for an upgrade. Think how much easier a revolution would be if rebels could set up their new government in the cloud before they even begin to protest. Ironically, democracy is probably an obstacle to freedom in countries run by dictators. Everyone understands that when the dictator is overthrown, you have years of messy and ineffective government ahead of you to get a democratic system up and running. And then you have decades of corruption to look forward to. The government in a cloud could hasten the end to dictators because the alternative would be so clear and easy. The downside is that only the citizens who have access to the Internet can participate in the cloud government. But that's probably an improvement over the current system because he people who use the Internet tend to be the most informed. And in time, the Internet will extend to all. That's what the freedom algorithm will call for.

 

 
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Feb 8, 2011
Gov 2.0, open source government, etc:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-Government
http://www.gov2expo.com/gov2expo2010
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source_governance
 
 
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Feb 8, 2011
With the caveat that I haven't read any of the other comments:

John Varley has essentially this system set up in his book "Rolling Thunder."

And about quantifying freedom - why not? Robert A. Heinlein advocated applying math to sociological issues as well - and I can't see why he's wrong on that. At least provide a truly scientific framework before trying to make decisions. (Perhaps systems like Affirmative Action and welfare programs would benefit from a little rigorous analysis?)
 
 
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Feb 8, 2011
A fully particapatory democracy where every decision is put to the voters... you end up with the voting being done by the same people who post to their facebook page 10 times a day.
 
 
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Feb 7, 2011
Kurt Vonnegut, avowed socialist, mocked the very definition of freedom you described in a short story called "Harrison Bergeron," in which everyone was handicapped by law so that everyone was "equal" (for example, beautiful people had to wear masks, athletes had to be weighted down, etc.) in every way. When people attempted to improve their lot, the Handicapper General shot them dead.

Granted, it was originally intended as a satire of American views of communism and socialism, but as the left marches on in trying to redefine "freedom," it looks more and more like the truth every day. WAYTF got it exactly right. The two most fundamental freedoms are (1) not being compelled to do anything by others and (2) not being prevented from doing anything by others, as long as you're not causing non-negligible harm to others.

As my parents and grandparents used to say: life ain't fair. And nobody can make it fair. You just have to deal with the luck of the draw, because any other system is going to mean infinitely more misery. There is no fundamental difference between the mafia and government social welfare; at their core, they're both extortion and racketeering. One just has a lot more force and perceived legitimacy.
 
 
Feb 4, 2011
You (and everyone else) should read Superstoe, by the late William Borden. One of its messages is that government by the people soon becomes government by just a few people with their own agendas, because the rest can't be bothered to vote on every little thing. That's what we elect politicians to do.
 
 
Feb 3, 2011
"You want to revamp the system? Then first and foremost on the agenda it must be made tamper-proof by the inevitable maniacal forces that turn even well intentioned people into ego-driven tyrants."

I agree completely, and in my opinion the only way to do that is to get rid of our monetary system completely. As long as there is monetary gain, corruption is unstoppable.
 
 
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Feb 3, 2011
The largest reason by far that our Government is going downhill isn't because the system is antiquated, it is because it has been around long enough to be permeated by corruption. No strangers to tyranny the Founders built a system to curb the abuses that has plagued every Government in history. They knew the only way for a Nation to achieve its maximum potential would be to take power from the elite and give it to the people. Fast forward to the present and technology advances but people's intentions and proclivities really haven't changed in thousands of years. You want to revamp the system? Then first and foremost on the agenda it must be made tamper-proof by the inevitable maniacal forces that turn even well intentioned people into ego-driven tyrants.
 
 
Feb 3, 2011
I worry about instability. What process would we use to decide what merits polling? I'm thinking about California's initiative process, which is pretty corrupted by special interest-funded bomboozlery. It would be great to cut out the middle man but I still like having a Senate-like thing in which to "cool the milk".
 
 
Feb 3, 2011
Yesterday reddit.com broke the news that they are now getting over 1 Billion page views a month and have over 13 million unique visitors. That news led me to start putting more thought in to this 'cloud government' idea and I started to see how some of the systems on Reddit could be implemented in a cloud government. Or put a different way, Reddit is a form of leaderless (but moderated) democracy and this sort of behavior can be found on other online communities as well.

The city where I live has 50,000 people living there and I started envisioning how a reddit like system could be used rather than the City councilor style system that we have. The front page for my city's reddit might look something like this:

* Public transportation sucks! I can't believe it takes me 1hr to blah blah.

* Massive snowmaggedon! Please help I am trapped inside

* School registrations for September are open now!

* Look at my cat :)

* Police requesting additional funding for super cop cars, tear gas canisters and tazers required to pursue pot smokers.

I tried to cover a wide range of topics but you can begin to see some of the discussions that might occur and the 'crowd sourcing' that might begin to take place. The public transportation debate might just be a rant, or perhaps the head of public transportation might take the time to address the concern. Local community members might help out with snow removal, form a temporary 'snow removal militia' because some dudes really love their bobcats, quads and snowblowers. Cat pictures are a fundamental side effect of the routing of data on the internet. For the police issue. The police issue covers many civil related topics and at this point of my idea I haven't yet thought about how the system would be used to change/address laws, but it could be used to address funding/taxes.

There are a lot of comments here in regards to how this wouldn't work because of the massive amount of 'youtube' style comments. I think that issue is easily addressed through community moderation. Think of a system somewhere between reddit and the something awful forums. Reddit has very few rules, and indeed you get quite a few 'herp and derp' posts. Something awful, in some forums, is very heavily moderated where proper english is enforced and lying/misrepresentation is not tolerated.

Obviously there is a lot more thought required here to flesh things out, but I am starting to believe this would be a better system then our current form of representative democracy. We used to have to elect our representatives because we couldn't all be present to debate policy issues, funding etc. Now we can.
 
 
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Feb 2, 2011
But you already said the masses are not educated, we are not well educated on comparing stuff - as your post a few days ago stated.

The education needs to happen first.

I'm confused.
 
 
Feb 2, 2011
Scott all we need is to convert all of us into moist robots. Then we wouldn't need worry about governments, we just upgrade our android version.
 
 
Feb 2, 2011
The code for your cloud will probably be written by Indian or Chineese programmers written to specifications from the government that change daily(replace government with public opinion maybe). Good Luck!

And I'm assuming low corruption.
 
 
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Feb 2, 2011
Not one of your worst ideas. True democracy instead of representative democracy (that doesn't represent the people) is an interesting concept. initally I would see it suffering from a certain level of fickleness as popular ideas are marketed to people via news network pundits and the like. However, once the impacts of those decisions were felt you would hope people started to take their responsibility more seriously.

Its success largely rests on a literate and crtically thinking populaton but overall I like what it means regardless of the practical implications.
 
 
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Feb 2, 2011
Ooh, I win! Assinine, assinine, assinine!
 
 
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Feb 2, 2011
Completely OT, but ...

Could those of you who compose your posts in a word processor of some sort please run it through some sort of to-text filter before posting? I find the strange characters that this blog produces in response to 'curled quotes' and 'curled apostrophes' (and em-dashes and such) to be extremely distracting.

Alternatively, of course, the folks who make the blog software for this site could fix their software to detect and handle such characters. But given the blog's asinine handling of words-that-sorta-look-like-swear-words, I doubt that will happen.

[Will the blog censor my use of the word 'asinine'? What if I misspell it? "Assinine"?]
 
 
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Feb 1, 2011
So it looks like the main concerns are the following:
Concerns about human nature
o shortsightness
o greed
o inconsistency
o laziness
o intrusion
Concerns about the ignorance of people
How the monetary system itself should function
Minority abuse and majority tyranny
Scott Adam's idea is too extravagant
Speed of decision making
The role of politicians
Voting mechanics

Human shortsightness is the first issue. I believe that this issue made a point that people tend to go into debt because they didn't think ahead and related this to voting practices. I don't think that this is a fair comparison. Spending money is a daily issue which involves proportionally less time on rational thinking than voting. Personally I think it is education, having an understanding about the results of actions, is what many people lack.
Greed is defined as when you take things that don’t belong to you according to http://www.newsweek.com/2009/03/25/the-greater-greed.html. This issue is more about how the monetary system should function. The concern here is that the system will be easily exploitable, I believe.
Inconsistency is another concern. This argument seems to imply that unity is what this system ruptures. I disagree, with flip-flopping in the political parties I doubt that this system would cause any more or less unity in the nation. In other words, we already can’t make up our minds if we are with Alcibiades or not so what difference would a change in the structure make?
The next concern is about human intrusion. This includes hackers, politicians wanting to exploit the new system’s flaws, etc. The hacker problem already exists, so the new government could use the old government system of protection and build up from there as opposed to starting from scratch. The politician problem has the same sort of answer, build up from the last government. Do your homework on political history, understand the founding fathers more, do research on why this model isn’t performing optimally, etc. I can’t think of another alternative.
The next is the concerns about the ignorance of people. I suppose Mr. Adams has more to his idea than what he blogged about. The best that I can think of is that the law is presented, both sides are given are given and there are links to more information available. Perhaps there could be other factors that could be weighed also, such as a college degree, military service, idk…
The monetary system is an entirely different animal altogether. Economists argue about this for a living. This discussion could go off onto another tangent about the inefficacies of the monetary system but that’s too complicated for a discussion thread.
The next issue is minorities and majority problems. I have my own answer to that problem but it’s unappealing. If anybody is incredibly curious, just ask.
The next idea is that this idea is unpractical. …True. But it would be interesting if there was a movement in this area and over time this idea became implemented.
Speed of decision making: “[Managing the whim factor would be the job of the government in the new system, just as it is now. All you'd need is a one year delay between the creation of any law and its implementation. In that time the government, using its power of informing and clarifying via the Internet, could make sure the public is quite aware of all the hidden costs and risks of the new law takes effect. That's plenty of time to repeal it if the majority has second thoughts. Realistically, the majority already backs just about every law that isn't pushed through by a special interest. -- Scott]”
What would be the role of politicians? I dunno about removing everybody except the president. That doesn’t sound wise. I like the idea of reducing the need for politicians though (and lawyers).
What would be the method of voting exactly? Um.. idk. How about we take a vote on it? :)
 
 
Feb 1, 2011
BubbuHJones - "Your fundamental assumption is that no one is gaming the algorithm."

You mean like lobby groups and special interest groups do today?


JoshP - "In a land governed by cloud computing, the hacker is king."

I doubt it. And anyway, you wouldn't just switch over to the new system. Two systems would be running in parallel for a while, so the benefit form hax0ring the system wouldn't be immediately apparent, and you could get a feel for the weaknesses in the system. It will never be completely hacker-proof but you could argue the current system isn't hacker-proof either.

If you are holding up as a paragon of impenetrability the online polls etc which have been gamed/hacked to date as proof of your statement then I take back everything, because you are obviously not qualified to participate in this discussion.
 
 
Feb 1, 2011
Thank you Scott, for once again for planting a seed within our consciousness. Hopefully its growth will be exponential.
 
 
Feb 1, 2011
Sounds like SimCity?
 
 
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Feb 1, 2011
On an unrelated not to this post, I taught economics so your comments about you Confusopoly theory intrigued me. The reason you will never win a Noble is because it's only a problem in a centralized and planned economy. You correctly point out that things are growing more confusing and so no one person can understand the whole process and in Russia this caused huge problems... but in a free market regulated by prices no on has to understand. We recognize that the economy is too complicated for any one person to understand how a pencil is made, much less a computer, and yet I have plenty of pencils whenever I need one. The essay "I, Pencil" explains your confusopoly theory and is worth the four minute read. http://www.econlib.org/library/Essays/rdPncl1.html
 
 
 
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