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I understand why top students - the A+ types - learn physics and calculus. I get why they study classic literature and the details of history. The kids in this brainy group are the future professors, scientists, and engineers who will propel civilization forward.

But why do we make the B students sit through these same classes? That's like trying to teach a walrus to tap dance. It's a complete waste of time and money. And most students fall into that middle category. I assume this ridiculous educational system is a legacy from a day when generic mental training was good enough for just about any job.

In our modern world, would it make more sense to teach B students something useful, such as entrepreneurship?

Consider my own story. I majored in entrepreneurship at Hartwick College, and that experience was the most useful training I've ever had. Okay, technically, my major was economics. But the unsung advantage of attending a small college is that you can mold your experience any way you want.

There was a small business called The Coffee House on campus. It served beer and snacks, and featured live entertainment. This was back in the days when the drinking age was 18. The operation was student run, with faculty advisors. It was a money-losing mess, heavily subsidized by the college.  I interviewed for a place on the student group that ran the business, and became the so-called Minister of Finance. The first thing I noticed is that there was literally no accounting system for the profits, the inventory, or the expenses. So I proposed to my accounting professor that for three course credits I would build and operate the accounting system for the business. And so I did. The experience was amazing.

I also got to manage our vendors, redesign the menu, deal with internal politics, and be involved in marketing and employee hiring. I got a legitimate taste of a full range of small business experience. Our efforts paid off, and the business bloomed.

At about the same time, two friends and I hatched a plan to become the student managers of our dormitory and get paid to do it. The idea involved replacing all of the professional staff, including the Resident Assistant, security, and even the cleaning crew with students who would be paid for those functions.  We imagined forming a student government of sorts to manage elections for various jobs, set out penalties for misbehaviors, and generally take care of things. And we imagined that the three of us, being the visionaries for this scheme, would be running the show.

We pitched our entrepreneurial idea to the dean and his staff. To my surprise, the dean said that if we could get a majority of next year's dorm residents to agree to our scheme, the college would back it. And so we did. For the next two years my two friends and I each had private rooms, at no cost, a base salary, and the experience of managing the dorm. On some nights I also got paid to do overnight security, while also getting paid to clean the laundry room. At the end of my security shift I would go to The Coffee House and balance the books.

My college days were full of entrepreneurial stories of that sort. By the time I graduated, I had mastered the confidence of pitching an idea and turning it into reality. Every good thing that has happened to me is born of that training.

I think it's a bad idea to evaluate our school system based on international test score comparisons. While it's important that our top students are as good as top students everywhere, our biggest untapped resource is our B students. Maybe we should start teaching them useful skills.

 
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Mar 1, 2011
charlie sheen is just another spoiled, egotistical idiot spawned from a family who deserves better. while extolling his own virtues as a star of the tv series, he also forgets to mention that he couldn't make it in the movie business which led him to turn to television. while the show has been a success, it should be pointed out that is in great part to the writers of the show and the other cast members. charlie would be nothing without them. having been a fan of the show previously, i will never watch it again after seeing charlie's latest tirades. he is cutting his own throat with a rusty knife. "from another planet," he says? in my opinion, that's where he belongs...
 
 
Feb 16, 2011
An admirable goal: teach people skills that will make them happy and productive.

However, how do we sort out those who are suited to being future academic leaders, and those who are not?
 
 
Feb 15, 2011
Scott, helping B students change subjects and get an A in an entreprenurial endeavor seems self defeating. 9 out 10 new businesses fail. Nothing is guranteed. There are also many lessons in failure.

Who says this isn't already happening? Those B students really would be A students if they weren't running their "Risky" business out of their dorm room.

Anyways, my summary of how the no child left behind policy "works"

School A needs to show improvement of scores. School A takes those students who are doing poorly on tests (below national average) and put them into special education. Lo and behold their average scores increase(note they don't count the special ed students scores) and the school gets a presidential award and more funding. Additionally the school gets more funding for special education too! Administrators and teachers at these schools can give themselves big raises/ bonuses and pat themselves on the back. If they run low on failing students they hit the minority ESOL students cause they can just confuse their parents who don't speak english.
-Sad but true story. Parents don't fall for this trap!
 
 
Feb 14, 2011
Good article, made even better by me misreading the second sentence of the second paragraph as "That's like trying to teach a walrus to lap dance."
 
 
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Feb 14, 2011
Scott, I loved your first sentence, but my true reaction to it is "Good luck with that."

12-13 years ago, as a young teacher I attended a meeting of administrators. I asked essentially the same question as you.

"Even assuming that all students are CAPABLE of learning calculus, why should we assume they all WANT to learn calculus?"

A guy at the next table from me stood up and said, (yelled actually), "I don't know about this guy, (me), but I'm not going to play Hitler with MY kids."

Of course, he got a smattering of applause. At least it wasn't a roar.
 
 
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Feb 12, 2011
I truly believe the whole world education system is outdated for sure. It is amazing how so many students struggle to get decent scores at most courses. It is amazing how much contents is being studied now a days. It is true, not every single guy is going to be a scientist or an engineer. Our education system should be able to find kids gifts as early as possible so to put them under the right class of education. I know some people, as Scott says that were just average students on some courses and very bad students on others and right now they are entrepreneurs making way more money than several engineers I know.
 
 
Feb 11, 2011
I have the problem of being good at everything. Everything I try, I'm good at it. This produced in me a strange form of motivational ADHD. I'll get interested in something for a while (6 weeks on average), be obsessed with it and work tirelessly on it. Then I'll notice some other subject area starts looking really shiny and I'll drop what I'm doing and switch to that for a stretch. This is my explanation for my B student-ness. Deciding on a college major was nearly impossible. It took me literally 20 years after high school to finally focus on something for 4 years straight and finish a bachelor's degree. that's why I'm a loser, I'm too good at everything.
 
 
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Feb 9, 2011
I disagree.
If one understands all the material very well, but cant find anything, they may very well get B.
I don't think you can come up with a counterargument for this, other than saying that its no good teaching people without organization skills, which I very strongly disagree with.
 
 
Feb 9, 2011
Scott, I thought you might find this interesting and relevant:


The Future of Learning According to Dr. Kozmetsky
In the 21st century, education and training will be differentiated as follows:

•education is knowledge an individual must convert to value; whereas,
•training is knowledge with immediate market value.
Dr. Kozmetsky points to the failings of our current education system as instituted by his favorite president, Thomas Jefferson. Jefferson envisioned the U.S. public education system as the fountainhead of democracy. The purpose of public schools was to create civil and capable citizens. For democracy to succeed, the participation of an educated and efficacious public is required ... by the people, for the people.

Public education serves mainly as a democratizing institution by providing basic knowledge and skills to all people. Thereafter, it is up to each person to use this foundation to actualize individual ambitions in the open market of opportunity.

Founded during an agricultural era, the U.S. public education system continued to function fairly well during the industrial era. But in the era of knowledge creation and technology innovation, public education cannot respond effectively to the accelerated pace of societal change for all people. Learning must become a lifelong endeavor.

Future learning technologies must meet demand for increasingly interdisciplinary knowledge requirements, lifelong migratory work patterns and evolving skill sets by providing dynamic interfaces to "intelligent" datastores and immersive content delivery systems. Information technologies, digital entertainment innovations and cognitive sciences are the research drivers to this future.

 
 
Feb 9, 2011
@Scott - One more thing. The fact that so few people learn mathematics and science is the genesis of the clueless pointy-headed boss of yours.
 
 
Feb 8, 2011
@VJGoh - I love your last sentence. As for some of the rest, I teach mathematics. In 32 years, I have had exactly one student (some brain damage from teenage drug use), who could correctly explain material, but not perform on tests. I have had many others who claimed to understand, but couldn't perform.
 
 
Feb 8, 2011
@Dearge - People totally care about bad teachers. In middle school my friends and I would dread getting the one social studies or art teacher who never taught the class anything and just sat there all hour.

Beyond that, as a public school student myself I have very little contact with type-B students. In the mornings I go to a school full of type-A students where we learn about biology, math, computers, and the like. In the afternoons (having already met my English requirements) I take the dreaded general-population classes, where students yell at each other, steal things, and complain that they "didn't do nothin'!" when the teacher calls security.

When I get home from school, I am able to use my biology and computer classes to explain aspects of my mother's job to her. My general population classes, which are generally vocational? They teach me nothing.
 
 
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Feb 8, 2011
This is, without a doubt, one of the worst ideas you've ever had.

Physics, cosmology, math, chemistry...I loved all those subjects. I was a chronic 'B' student. I'm a programmer today. I've been thinking of going back to school and getting a physics degree. I'm a scientist, but I don't really test very well.

The REAL problem with the school system isn't necessarily the subjects that are taught, but the fact that not everybody learns the same way. I'm much better at assignments and research and lab work. Tests don't suit me. They never have. I struggled through University because of all the tests. It was not uncommon for me to come into a final exam running a 90% average in the course and walk out with a barely passing grade.

There are so many wonderful things that you miss out if you don't get a half-way decent science education. I have friends that are amazed at how much I know, but the only thing I do that they don't is I read and understand a lot of different topics. I can read an article on space-time and grasp enough of it to get some enjoyment and information out of it. Same with articles on biology, genetics, chemistry, programming, mathematics, etc. It's a delight living in a world and a time where there are so many scientists doing so many great things.

And when you deprive people of decent science educations, you end up with guys like Bill O'Reilly, claiming that the tides (and subsequently the moon and sun) are effectively unexplainable. THAT'S what you want? The average person to not understand some fundamental tenets of science?

When did it become a good idea for people to understand the world around them even LESS than their counterparts a generation ago?
 
 
Feb 8, 2011
@CodeJammer

I'm sorry. English is not my first language and I learned it late with life. As a result, many people feel my writing is confused if I am rushed. But I am always learning.
 
 
Feb 8, 2011
That must have been a very educational college experience, and I'm very envious of it. I am a perpetual 'B' student, no so much due to brainpower as inclination; I was always much more interested in learning outside the classroom. And making money.

I couldn't agree more that encouraging learning beyond the classroom norm. I don't think you meant to stop your suggestions at 'entrepreneurship,' but I would certainly throw out a lot of topics that might actually benefit people in life - as opposed to calculus: basic building trades, agriculture/horticulture, etc. I'm also of the opinion that chemistry, engineering concepts, and basic physics should be mandatory for any college degree, including a bachelor of arts.

Where I disagree with your post is where you say we shouldn't evaluate our education system on international test scores. What, then, should we evaluate it on? Obviously no evaluation isn't an option, so why not an internationally accepted standard? I could see if the tests were random or irrelevant information, but they are not: My daughter is going through the 3rd grade MEAP test currently and they make sure she has basic reading comprehension, can add, subtract, and do basic fractions like adding slices of pizza. Oh, and measure things using a ruler. Years from now the tests will measure basic geometry, science, and reading comprehension, ALL of which is mandatory for life. I value your opinion, so what should I find wrong with that?
 
 
Feb 8, 2011
Why do you act as though College is for the Students? Perhaps your cognitive dissonance got switched on by mistake. The money for college comes from a mix of two sources: 1) parents and 2) government. Follow the money, what do those people want? Parents want their kids to have "a better life" and government wants future citizens that will have the money to pay the taxes that runs the government without participating in a revolution.

Suppose a college, or the Dept of Education, divided students into groups as you propose. One third get "hard stuff" like Differential Equations, one third get "useful experiences" in classes like Accounting or Marketing, and one third get "never mind" courses or no financial aid. As others have mentioned, the demographics of these three groups will NOT be politically correct. The best indicator of success at a selective college has been "Parents with advanced degrees", since the 70's. Zillions of dollars have been spent sending minority members of the middle third to DiffEqs, and the results are approximately no tap dancing walruses.

What's the problem? Nobody wants to be told they are not top 1/3. They would literally be lied to than hear the truth. It's human nature, enabled by government with more money than sense. The fraction of folks with the common sense to recognize the things about themselves that let you see the path you took is vanishingly small. It's not 1 in 3, it's more like 1 in 3000. Don't take this personally, but asking everybody to have that sort of introspection is dumber than the way we're wasting money today. Sorry.
 
 
Feb 8, 2011
@ AnnoDomine

You are correct, there is a vast conspiracy and much of it is aimed at you. However, Scott is not the one calling the shots. I can neither confirm nor deny that he ever was. What I can tell you is that the person now calling the shots is Bill O'Reilly. Perhaps you should turn your attention to his blog. His readers would be impressed by your insights.
 
 
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Feb 8, 2011
We've tried Vocational Training for the non-college bound (I think that is what School-to-Work in the late 90's was about) but we fail to notice the inbred nature of our whole educational system. Most public school teachers have been in school since kindergarden. Imagine a Career Counselor whose only career experience is being in school or a summer job. We have know that our educational system has been failing for 30 years... we (i.e. the community) just don't have the courage to change it. Finally, you have to understand the purpose of education. 1. Entertain the community (a public education coach is the highest paid state employee in every state & people will complain about a bad football team but don't care about a bad teacher) 2. Babysitting (It more important to keep the kids off the street and in their seats and behaving) 3. Finally (least important and not really required if it means 1 or 2 suffer) - learn something.
 
 
Feb 8, 2011
@splintchesthair: You probably could have used a few of the English classes that you skipped out on, but I do agree that a certain degree of self-guided study should be allowed/encouraged in public schools. I had a pre-calculus teacher in high school that chose to mentor me in advanced topics not covered in his standard curriculum because he recognized my mastery of the basic course material. As a result of this one-on-one interest, I spent those class hours learning material that would give me a solid foundation for moving on in mathematics instead of trying to top my own high score on tetris on my calculator.
 
 
Feb 8, 2011
This post reminded my of another post I read recently regarding what people could do during their 99 weeks of unemployment.

http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2011/01/26/rethinking-99-weeks-of-unemployment/

Here's an excerpt:

Let’s try to come up a list of things that a person, effectively taught, could do in 99 weeks. Here’s a start:

•earn most or all of a bachelor’s degree if done at an efficient school such as University of Phoenix where courses are self-paced and/or in session all year rather than the lazy half-the-year calendar of a legacy university
•earn an MBA (1 year at a modern school; 2 years at a legacy school)
•become a competent video editor in Final Cut or Adobe Premiere (two weeks?)
•become a competent photo editor in Adobe Photoshop or The Gimp (two weeks?)
•develop reasonably fluency in a foreign language, even without an instructor, using tools such as RosettaStone (one year, possibly including a trip to Guatemala or China or wherever)
•start and finish an aviation maintenance degree and FAA certification (typically about 1.5 years)
•learn heavy equipment operation
•complete almost any trade school, e.g., plumbing or electrician
•go from zero computer knowledge to being a Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer or a Cisco network engineer
 
 
 
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