This blog has a comment ranking system. Let's have some fun with it by having our own presidential debate. Pick a side, either Obama or McCain, and leave a comment explaining why your pick would be the best president.

Then be sure to vote for the best other comments that aren't your own. Let's see which arguments float to the top.

You are not required to be brief, but my guess is that people will vote you down if you can't make your case in a paragraph or two.

The challenge is to support your argument. For example, saying one candidate will vote for some particular treaty is just a fact, not an argument, unless you can include a link to an article saying most experts disagree with the treaty.


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Jun 8, 2008
I am so sick of hearing people saying that they are going to vote for someone just because of their race or gender. This is just as racist or sexist as not voting for someone simply because of their race or gender....

If I have to pick from Mcain and Obama, I'd pick Mcain. Obama seems to be surrounded by unsavory individuals. As president the people you surround yourself with are almost as important as your own character and views.

Really though I lean towards voting for a third party candidate, possibly the libertarian because of their party being strict constitutionalists
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Jun 8, 2008
I'm Voting For Obama.
Republics have been in control for way too long and they haven't done this country any good.
Mccain wants to be the dicider-2 who stays the course in an unpopular
war. He want to continue most of Gorge W Bush's policies. (A Bush Mini Me)
Jun 8, 2008
Don't you mean the best of the worst.
Jun 8, 2008
Do we want someone as politically inept as Obama?? read on to find out why I ask this question.
Bottom line: "John McCain boldly voted against the bill; Barack Obama didn't. The fat cats of agribusiness can rest easy for now." (this is reference to a horrendous bill recently passed through Congress).

Obama supporters tout that he "refused to accept donations from lobbyists and as the nominee has convinced Democratic leaders to rid the party of lobbyists as well. (He appears to have real intentions of replacing politics with humanity in Washington.)" as SirMikeTallonPhD put it.

My problem with that is an article from www.economist.com entitled "A Harvest of Disgrace." (http://www.economist.com/world/na/displaystory.cfm?story_id=11412562, dated May 22, 2008). This article talks about the how neither Big Oil nor Wall Street are the worst lobbies on the campaign trail.
It states that: "Ameica'a Farmers are capital's handout kings!" and (emphasis) that
"John McCain boldly voted against the bill; Barack Obama didn't. The fat cats of agribusiness can rest easy for now."

Now, what would you rather have:
-McCain who will stand up to something that most congressman know is a disgrace
- or, Obama who a) didn't have the wherewithal or competence to figure out that it was a bad bill, or b) wasn't smart enough to at least get a little campaign help for doing something that the economist declared was

"Congress at it's worst"

Do we want someone as politically inept as Obama??
-14 Rank Up Rank Down
Jun 7, 2008

The 2 biggest problems we have are the Republicans and the Democrats. Both parties are private
organizations beholden to big money.

The Democratic party is the lesser of two evils..
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Jun 7, 2008
2nd Post -

Do you know that Obama is FOR partial-birth abortion?

(That means partially delivering a full-term 9 month old baby and then !$%*!$% its brains out and killing it before it gets fully out of the mother).

If you don't find that abhorrent then you have never met a newborn baby, you have no heart or mind, and I don't understand what in the world is wrong with you.

This alone is enough to make me run far away from voting for Obama.
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Jun 7, 2008
Definitely NOT Obama,

A guy who sat in that church hearing that vitriol for 20 years, then lies about it, scares me.

The blind faith he inspires in his followers scares me too.

The willingness he has shown to "talk" to dangerous leaders around the globe scares me.

I don't want a man like that running the country.
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Jun 7, 2008
I wonder if they'll be discounting any of this stuff....


Jun 7, 2008

-He's been the only one proposing that we talk to our enemies like grown ups instead of using force. He acknowledges that war is an archaic means of resolving conflict, plus an almost irreparably expensive one.

-He’s refused to accept donations from lobbyists and as the nominee has convinced Democratic leaders to rid the party of lobbyists as well. (He appears to have real intentions of replacing politics with humanity in Washington.)

-He apparently has some shred of sanity because he believes the economy is doing poorly and that global warming is a likely prospect. Acceptance is the first step to progress.

-With a Democratic majority in Congress, we would finally be able to get past the stagnation we've experienced for the last 2 years, no longer being witness to more dead end hearings and divisive bills.
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Jun 7, 2008
I will be voting for McCain. I have to admit that he wasn't the first choice, I really wish we had a candidate with more of the abilities of Ronald Reagan. I think McCain is a more centrist republican and while there are many who criticize him for it, especially his willingness to work with democrats on unpopular issues, he will undo some of the damage that President Bush has done to the Republican party.

I do strongly disagree with McCain on his desire to grant residency to illegal immigrants. My attitude is that regardless of national origin, if they are here in this country illegally, they have broken our laws. I don't want lawbreakers rewarded for doing this... again. But I also believe that mass roundups are not the answer either. I think we need to secure the borders, fix the system to allow migrant workers to come do the jobs they do here. But require anyone who does apply have to do from their country of origin, not from here illegally. I also believe that the people who knowingly hire illegal immigrants are committing a crime and should be treated as such also. I used to live near the border in both California and Arizona. I have found all of the workers who came across the border daily and I met or worked with, to be some of the hardest and honorable people I have ever had the privilege to be associated.

I don't think Bush was a poor president, but he hasn't been a good communicator and has failed to win people over or make them feel he has done a good job. Part of that is the press portrayal but a good proportion of the responsibility falls on him and his staff. I do believe he hurt the party when he kept Richard Cheney as his VP. The man is not electable and thus he lost the opportunity to bring up a young motivated party member to a national platform.

Obama... I think what he has been able to accomplish in the race is amazing. I do have problems with his political stances though. He has a voting record that shows him as one of the most left of the senate. He is strongly anti-gun ownership. (2nd Amendment is important to me). He and other members of his party are pushing for National Health Care (Where in the constitution does the Federal government have that power? I am for state health care, on a state by state basis, that is the right of the states) He expresses desires to talk personally to enemies of our country, Iran for example. (Dialog is better than bullets, but I disagree on trying to negotiate face-to-face with such leaders) Finally, I am bothered by his support of Reverend Wright and feel that he probably does agree with the statements that I found offensive.

On the more positive note, I think it is great we are finally nominating someone with diversity and win or lose, Obama will have gained considerable political clout.
Jun 7, 2008
HHMM. Obama or McCain. Hard Choice.

Neither one has good hair, so how on earth will we decide?

I know, height. I will vote for the taller one.

See ya, got to go do some more research.........
Jun 7, 2008
1. He is the un-Republican. If they are not happy about him...then I am.
2. Obama froze when he started getting pounded by Hillary. We cannot have that in a leader.
3. He is experienced in government and leadership.
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Jun 7, 2008
Obama vs. McCain... Let's see...

One is The Pointy-Haired Boss, and,
One is The Bald CEO (not the one that was killed, the new one.)

Not too sure which is which. Guess I'll vote for... ACCCCCCK, I'm Having A Stroke....
Jun 7, 2008
There are explanations for why either would be a better president? Do either of them have policies? I thought it was the hopeful black guy vs the tortured maverick. I cannot comment on this because I know nothing about either of their policies. I suppose this sort of lack of knowlegde makes Scott's policy of not voting very sensible.
Jun 7, 2008
I already lost this post once... let's try this again.
The problem, as I see it, is that both McCain and Obama are quintessential politicians. Obama stands for "change" yes, (and to satisfy the phrasing of the initial question, this makes him the more attractive candidate, in my mind) but it's not the change our country needs. The solution, or, at least, a solution, to our country's problems is not more government, but less, a return to the principles on which America was founded. To convince you of my point, I'll borrow a few words from those who have said it far better than I ever could...

"There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to pay for what he does not want, simply because you think it would be good for him." - Robert Heinlein
"A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor and bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government." - Thomas Jefferson
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - Thomas Jefferson
"A facility for quotation covers the absence of original thought." - Peter Wimsey

(That last one, of course, doesn't really prove my point, but I thought it was appropriate.)
By now you may have guessed that I rather Libertarian in my politics, and you probably would be too, if you knew what it was. (www.lp.org)
I'm with brewtality, Bob Barr will be getting my vote in November. (http://www.bobbarr2008.com)
Good for you, menetekel, for voting for what you believe in. Doing otherwise subverts democracy entirely. I'm tired of hearing people say things like, "I like so-and-so, but they'll never win, so I'll just vote for the candidate from the party I hate least." I don't seriously believe the Libertarians have a snowball's chance in hell of winning the election, but lack of "electibility" isn't a good enough reason for me to vote against my political beliefs. Think about that before you vote for the lesser of two evils.
kavipc, you make a good point, but I still have a problem with huge government spending and tax increases. It's the principle of the thing. I agree we need to drastically reduce the defense budget, and that means leaving Iraq, but I don't want the money saved by that to just be poured into more socialist programs. I agree that my tax dollars should be put to better use, I just believe that that "better use" is in my pocket.
Also, props to Tygerblade.
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Jun 7, 2008
I'll take a crack at it:

Americans have proven time and again that they are at their best, and are virtually unstoppable, when they mobilize behind a great cause.

Americans now have tremendous challenges before them in areas like terrorism, energy and the economy. Barack Obama is the kind of leader that can bring out the best in the American people, and mobilize them to restore their country to greatness.
Jun 7, 2008
The personality of the president becomes the personality of the nation.

Bill Clinton was "Mr. Party". And it was party time for the economy
Ronald Reagan was similar, "Mr. Optimism", and we grew then too.

But George H.W Bush was, as Doonesbury drew it, Mr. Invisible. If it weren't for Kuwait, he wouldn't be remembered.
George W Buish is Intellecutally Lazy. And therefore we have an increase in partisanship, a rise in Creationism, and an idealized war. The dollar has plummeted because the solution can't be made into a sound byte.

Some presidents are hard to figure out.
Carter was compasionate, but conflicted ("I lust in my heart"). Thus we had stagflation, as well as the Camp David accords, but the failed Iranian Hostage rescue.

Obama genuinely wants to do good. He's positive and upbeat.
McCain has pandered to "the right" to build the base that he knows he'll need. In 2000, he was the maverick; now he's the "true conservative".

So, do you want a country with hopeful optimism, but little experience in how to acheive it (and therefore some false starts), or a country of expediency, do whatever it takes to get what you want, with the accompanying lack of moral center?

Me, I pick Obama.


-18 Rank Up Rank Down
Jun 7, 2008
I wasn't going to vote.

McCain is going to do the same things as the last administration. Hell no, I wouldn't vote for him.

Obama plans to pull out of Iraq, but he also plans to put more troops in Afghanistan, possibly invade Pakistan and Darfur. His economics will only make things worse. I don't care if he is young and energetic and black and a good speaker. He doesn't know what he's doing. It's not 'inexperience' it's just plain ignorance.

So I wasn't going to vote. This country is going to hell either way. Then I decided to vote Ron Paul, even tho I don't think he will win. Maybe that's just the media talking. I'm going to try and I'm going to have a clear conscience.

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Jun 7, 2008
I'm voting for McCain because Obama is pro-choice. He thought the Supreme Court upholding the ban on partial birth abortions was a bad idea.


Jun 7, 2008
(Apologies for a second comment)

To those saying leaving Iraq now is "cut-and-run" or "defeat," I just want to say that we cannot fix Iraq by staying. If you think that _we_ can fix that country then your are deluding yourselves. Only Iraqis can fix their country. They need the desire to fix it and we cannot give them that. Only Bush, Cheney and McCain are saying that the surge is working. And that is because they have a stake in its working. If we leave now, we can at least cut our losses and start rebuilding America. Iraq would be fine without us.

And I don't see how its a defeat if you have accomplished the purpose of the war (three years ago).

Among the top ten issues in this election, number 1 through 9 is Iraq war. If we leave now, our economy would be better, our budget will be (somewhat) balanced, towns and cities will have more to spend, education will be better, illegal immigrants will not suck as much ;-) in a land of plenty and half the other problems will vanish.

We have to leave Iraq now and only one candidate offers that option. As far as I am concerned, I would vote for anyone who promised to leave Iraq at the earliest. Even a trained chimp (hey, cannot be worse than Bush!).
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