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It's hard to be a teenager and get away with anything these days. Parents can determine from the phone bill who the teens have texted and when. Parents can even read the teen's text messages if the phone is left unattended. Parents can see e-mail messages, check what web sites have been visited, and stalk their kids via Facebook.

In some cases the parents can already track their kids via GPS devices in cars and phones. You know that trend will increase.

Yes, teens have countermeasures and workarounds. But that's a lot of effort, and it's hard to hide all the electronic clues of, for example, an unapproved association. Even if you hide all of your own electronic footprints, you could still pop up on someone else's Facebook page.

This got me thinking about privacy issues in general. Most people reflexively believe privacy is a good thing, and a lack of privacy is a bad thing. But what if privacy creates more problems than it solves?

Let's say you have a secret carnal desire for broccoli. In our current world, where privacy is still somewhat attainable, you hide your dirty little broccoli secret. If anyone were to find out, you'd be ostracized and mocked. So you carry your little secret around like a bag of shame, sneaking trips to the grocery store to get a fix.

Now imagine a world where no one has any privacy and your inappropriate desire for broccoli becomes common knowledge. Suddenly all the other broccoli lovers know you are one of them. You start hanging out together, sharing your broccoli stories. You make new friends. You are understood. It's a relief in many ways.

In a world with no privacy, no one will seem like a freak because so many people will appear to be one type of deviant or another. In that world, the biggest losers would be the people who have totally uninteresting flaws and passions. They would seem boring.

Like it or not, that world is probably coming.
 
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Feb 6, 2010
I'm a teen. Trust me, we've got it covered.
 
 
Dec 21, 2009
Privacy is a touchy subject. Yes, in an ideal world, if everyone knew everything about everyone else, no one would feel shamed about things they do.

As to a real world example: When was the last time you had sex with your wife? What position is her favorite, and how loud is she when she orgasms? If you're uncomfortable answering any of these, then my point is made. Privacy doesn't just stem from shame.

An example of a non-shame based privacy issue: I am in the military, and am stationed overseas. When people I don't know ask me where, I simply cannot tell them because of preservation. What will they do with that information? Who would they tell?

example number 2: Your son (or daughter) suffers from a mental illness. It may be very mild or even temporary, but if everyone knew, he would be that guy people label as a crazy person. And trust me, people do avoid the crazies.
 
 
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Nov 16, 2009
That world is already here. With tv shows becoming more and more honest, reality tv, and people being more candid on the internet, there is lesser shame in doing things today that would be considered weird a few years ago.
 
 
Nov 6, 2009
Except of course if you are the only one that like's brocolli in the world.
 
 
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Nov 3, 2009
In response both to this blog post, and what Leora had to offer - I have often thought about the impact of all the social networking that is in use today. And yes, Leora is quite correct that many of today's teens are probably never going to be able to run for any sort of political office unless they are growing up in an area that has no electricity. That, or by the time they do, no one wil care much about all the weird sh** they do now.

So eventually, I suppose, we will either know all the things we never wanted to about the people running our various governments, or the Amish will take over the world.
 
 
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Nov 3, 2009
Sounds like running for a political position--suddenly your every move is analysed and dissected and becomes fodder for the media if they detect even the slightest hint of something out of the ordinary. Heaven help the current crop of teenagers, their entire lives for display on YouTube and Twitter and Facebook, when they want to run for office!
Or maybe there will be so much information no one will even care if you were once a commenter on Scott Adam's blog and said something stupid/racist/inflammatory or admitted to an inappropriate passion for broccoli or whatever.
 
 
Nov 2, 2009
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Nov 2, 2009
@Ortelius
I'm an atheist, so I don't believe in heaven (nor any form of supernatural rewards nor any form of afterlife). I'm not trying to say that I'm a good person. It's just that I don't care if people know when I fart or get drunk or take a long leering gaze at a hot waitress -- while some people are embarrassed about such things and try to hide it. I don't have any behavior which violates the law, and I don't really how people would have the right to hide criminal behavior.

That was all immaterial to my point, though, which is that eliminating privacy appears to open the doors to bad behavior as opposed to the prevailing belief that privacy makes it easier to be deviant. I was, in fact, arguing that we need privacy to keep people somewhat normal.
 
 
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Nov 2, 2009
Check out this week's News of the Weird at http://www.newsoftheweird.com/archive/index.html

The article topics include men with fetishes for manure and outhouses. I can just imagine them forming online clubs. Do you think the one who prefers outhouses considers the one who prefers manure a freak for chosing animal excrement over human?

There's also a good article on gene research with fruitflies where they've been able to cause the flies to be attracted to their own sex and different fly species. Bolsters the nature vs. nurture argument for why people are gay.

Lastly, there's a classic 2004 article on the worst scientific jobs, with #1 being an anal wart researcher.
 
 
Nov 2, 2009
"In a world with no privacy, no one will seem like a freak because so many people will appear to be one type of deviant or another."

You are assuming that other people will see their own faults and allow others the benefit of the doubt. I see no evidence of that in today's world. Please with all kinds of screwed up problems constantly berate other "deviants" as if their house is not made of glass.
 
 
Nov 2, 2009
"Now imagine a world where no one has any privacy and your inappropriate desire for broccoli becomes common knowledge. Suddenly all the other broccoli lovers know you are one of them"

Great. Provided that those brocolli lovers live nearby in sufficient numbers. Otherwise you have just made public a view or desire or opinion that nearly everyone else in your town/school/workplace opposes.

Try coming out as being gay, or being atheist, in small-town bible-belt, and then tell me how much better it would be to have a lot less privacy.
 
 
Nov 2, 2009
Is it just coincidence that the ad on the side is for "Hidden Valley Ranch Salad Dressing"
 
 
Nov 2, 2009
These broccoli freaks have been flaunting it for years, whilst us decent hardworking regular folk have been treated as second class citizens in our own country. The carrots and the peas, well they don’t give me a problem – they work hard, keep their heads down and try to settle in. But every time I see one of those ‘broccos’… well it just makes me mad. I swear, I’m gonna head down that broccoli ghetto and set things right.
 
 
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Nov 2, 2009
I think this blog should have been about carnal desires! Much more illuminating and fun! For example, here are a few of my carnal desires:

- Fudge.
- Caramel.
- Toasted marshmallows (over a real Bar-B-Q pit)
- Genuine pulled-pork sandwich!
- Smoked ribs.
- Anything with alcohol in it.
- C-SPAN (I get off watching politicians! Oooh, hot!)
- Home Shopping Network when it's Star Trek theme night.
- Fast cars.
- Fast planes.
- Fast women (but the wife doesn't like it).
- Egg McMuffins.
- McDonald's French Fries!!! (Simply, the best!)
- Reading Dilbert in the bathroom by candlelight (TMI...TMI...TMI...)

Oh, I could go on for another 20 minutes.....
 
 
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Nov 1, 2009
Holmes had a different take. His feelings were that the reduced privacy in the city and the social pressures of the time prevented crimes compared to the more private lifestyle in the country. Less privacy will reduce crime and deviancy to the point that people can hide their motives and thoughts from society. Generally this involves avoiding the broccoli conventions and not blogging about your favorite vegetable Scott.
 
 
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Nov 1, 2009
I like your way of thinking.

Having a son just past tweendom, I know a lot of weird teen crap is coming. However, he's been raised in a very open-minded way and exposed to most things other kids aren't. As a result, he's not really afraid to talk to me about anything, and regularly asks questions I know I never had the courage to at his age.

He knows I can check into his emails if I want to, and he doesn't have his ownphone ...yet. But because of the way he's been raised, so far he seem to have no reason to hide anything. He's also been taught that he's never alone in anything, even if he were to get chubbed over brocolli or muscle cars, he knows there are likely others like him. In fact, I know he really does like muscle cars. :)

Privacy is a good thing for a few reasons though. We 'do' have that 'right' ....to an extent *cough* Cheney/Bush can suck it *cough*. While I find open-mindedness to be an excellent trait in people, there's a difference between that and wanting a few private moments with your brocolli. I mean, not everyone wants a brocolli orgy....right?
 
 
Nov 1, 2009
Um Im pretty sure the Internet has already done this, now broccoli lovers from all around the globe can come together
 
 
Nov 1, 2009
I'm sorry to inform you that according to the (broad interpretation of) rule 34 of the internet, your broccoli lovers already have their own social network for producing and sharing broccoli related art, novels and erotic material.
 
 
Nov 1, 2009
Scott's no-privacy world will have to solve some serious problems that we solve with privacy now. Suppose I want to spend some of Scott's Dilbert money. Today, if I go to the bank and say I am Scott so they ask me questions that have answers they think Scott keeps private. It used to be your mother's maiden name, since a stranger wouldn't know your Grandmother. Now it;s other facts, like your first dog's name.

Sure, there are technical solutions. The credit reporting agencies made that Like Lock guy stop using his real social security number in ads because they were getting thousands of attempts per day to steal his stuff.

All the folks who say "Caveman didn't have any privacy, we only needed privacy in the 1900s." need to decide if they want to live like cavemen. I don't. I like my stuff, and privacy means you can't wander into my house and take my stuff. Youall give up your privacy if you want, but don't complain when some Nigerian steals all your stuff.
 
 
 
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