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When a board of directors removes a CEO for poor performance, we don't expect the board to have a specific plan for how the next CEO will run things. The board's job is to remove the underperforming CEO and start a search for a new one.

That model reminds me of the Occupy Wall Street protests. Some pundits are criticizing the protesters for not having specific demands, but I don't think that's a fair observation. The protesters are simply trying to fire the old CEO, metaphorically speaking. It's not their job to micromanage the next one.

Some politicians have branded Occupy Wall Street as a class war. But I think that misses the point too. If the economy were humming along and creating the right kind of jobs, folks would see wealth as an aspiration and not an enemy.

I see Occupy Wall Street as an effort to get rid of the system that brought us to this place. The anger is not so much about replacing politicians as it is a complaint about the nature of government and the corrupting influence of money. Our collective image of the protests is muddied by the media's fascination with the nut jobs in the crowds, allegations that George Soros is the puppet master, and references to evil bankers and capitalists. We humans like to put faces to evil, but sometimes the evil is simply the result of a mismatch between the system and the times.

As self-appointed Transitional Leader, I support a new Constitutional Convention. Sooner or later the Occupy Wall Street protesters will join Tea Partiers and others in calling for exactly that. Nothing short of a total system reboot will clear the streets. Tweaking the tax code won't get us there. Replacing ineffective politicians with other ineffective politicians won't get us there.

Our current system of government served us well for over two hundred years. It was perfectly designed for simpler times. Now the natural complexity of issues plus the corrupting influence of money have choked out the system. We're firing on one cylinder. It's time for a new system.

In times like these, it's easy to focus on all of the bad news. But I'm not wired that way. When I see a broken system, I see an opportunity to build something new and better than can leap frog the performance of competing governments. (I'm looking at you, China.)

The Internet has come of age at exactly the time we need it to form the platform for a new system of government. A new and properly engineered government could be immune to financial corruption and more efficient at matching economic resources to opportunities. That sort of change would be enough to turbo charge the United States' economy for generations.

In a reengineered system of government, I like the idea of states operating as test sites for social and economic programs. In some ways, that's the opposite of how things are operating now. For example, the federal government is clamping down on California's state-legalized medical marijuana industry. Does that look like a government system that is worth keeping?

If you want the rich to pay more taxes, there are two ways to do it. One way is to use force, but that path leads to ruin or gridlock because the rich have plenty of force of their own. The other way is to change the system to make it worth the extra taxes. I'll gladly pay 5% more in taxes in exchange for a better system of government, under the theory that a better government will create a better economy and give me a return on my investment. And I'll believe that's possible when we have a Constitutional Convention.

 
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Oct 20, 2011
If you want to start over, you're going to have to start with more power than the global corporations that already rule this country. They have no more reason to follow a new constitution than they have to follow the current one.

And you know the United States of America hasn't existed since 2005, when Bush signed the North American Union treaty, right?
 
 
Oct 14, 2011
@nasch0,

It is not the "deathray", or anything similar. It is something that would make any form of nuclear attack impossible.
 
 
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Oct 13, 2011
@lemmein
If you're referring to his death ray, I don't think there's any evidence that that actually worked. Though I would love to see it if you have any.
 
 
Oct 13, 2011
@JoetheWebmaster, bravo!
BTW, there are things that Tesla invented that would literally prevent all kinds of wars. It is NOT sci-fi, but it is also a reason why nothing of his survived those few 'accidental' fires...

As for the rest of your post, let me quote Mark Twain:

"I have never let my schooling interfere with my education"

 
 
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Oct 12, 2011
It's as if Ardent Eccentric believes that

A)There is an ideal type of infrastructure to put in place, and we can always know what that ideal infrastructure is.

B) If a better infrastructure is conceptualized, "regulation" magically will step in and implement it, and this will somehow be economically feasible.

All of you people who think of regulation so positively are imagining either yourselves, or some perfect authority as the light in the fog that will steer humanity into a better direction than spontaneous order will. This is the ultimate fatal conceit. It will never work that way. A government standard increase centralization and homogenization while simultaneously eliminating the positives that might result from alternative standards. It's partially a subsidy to large monopolists. And don't get me started on the Right of Way contracts that are essentially government distributed monopolies.

 
 
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Oct 12, 2011
I like how I got downvoted a lot for actually trying to make a serious argument.

Ardent Eccentric made the argument that regulation is necessary, because somebody might invent some new great circuit that requires a specific type of current and infrastructure. I pointed out that once the government forces a specific standard into place, you run the exact same chance of somebody inventing something great that won't be compatible with that standard.

The result? Downvotes.

Ardent Eccentric also goes out of the way to argue that industries cannot "self regulate." I don't think that anybody is expecting industries to regulate themselves. However, competition and tort/fraud liability are really all of the regulation that is needed. The reason that the financial industry today appears to operate without any sane understanding of risk is that the federal reserve encourages exactly such an environment. The banker has every incentive to drive reserves down to zero under our MANIPULATED system. Only legal reserve requirements seem to restrain the banks themselves. This is not the fault of an unregulated system, but a system that is highly manipulated at the core.

Regulation is never necessary if the market isn't already being manipulated. That is the crux of the issue. "Deregulation" in terms of removing a handful of regulations off of a massive pile of regulations and manipulations, is a misrepresentation of what is occurring.
 
 
Oct 12, 2011
@Ardent_Eccentric, you always seem to have well thought out posts from more than a 1 dimensional though process. I just want to make a play on your electricity post, which I agree with what your getting at. Unfortunately part of the human condition is being a fool so unless mass people wake up from a life time of conditioning the smarter fools will take FOOL advantage (lame pun alert har har ;P)

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Edison builds an electric infrastructure

Edisons DC electricity is highly inefficient

Electricity in Edison's case is good, a whole new industry

Edison's DC electricity has major limitations, most notably attenuation. To run a few city blocks you would need a copper wire the size of a tree trunk.

Edison meets Tesla and offers 50k for a more efficient system

Tesla designs a primitive AC to DC switching infrastructure for Edison and carries out plans

Upon request for payment Edison says "You must not understand the American Sense of humor", Tesla goes un-paid

As the American dream goes Tesla spends the next couple years installing line poles and building Edison's infrastructure.

Westinghouse and Tesla develop a better AC system, transformers and such (Some parts are still in use today)

Edison trying to keep a hold on the industry personally electrocuting animals in public display in an attempt to show the dangers of AC, while of course using AC as a means for long distance transportation. This man could be a president lol.

Tesla lit up the World Fair proving ACs superiority

Tesla continues his work, develops wireless radio communication, he continues...

Tesla develops things most of us would only think would be in a sci-fi movie (sure roll your eyes, but everything more advanced than a candle lamp & revolver can be credited to this guy)

Electricity becomes the biggest industry and job producer (directly and indirectly from further innovation)
Tesla develops wireless power, he can make use of the ion-sphere to transmit electricity across the world, using the natural electrical force around for generation. "Go Green" such a crock of ****, were burning coal and oil just for formality reasons, industry remember.

FREE is a problem to an industry larger than the gov at the time. Funding stops, tower mysteriously burns down, discredited, black balled labeled crazy and out of touch for the rest of his days.

Industry though is ironically pushed hardest by the common public... JOBS, were are the jobs, I want a job, job, job, job. Gimme a handout! My mind is lazy and all I want is to run the wheel in the direction I'm told. What no more food in my dish? Looks like your doomed to starve to death until master comes along and lets you know how good a job you are doing keeping the wheel turning. So thank you wage slaves your ignorant greed help mold the country the way it is. Look at it this way the railroads have been built, now what is the railroad builder going to do now? Industry is dying, good for human advancement, bad for wage slaves.

Ever since the bankers robbed fort knox it's all about industry and monopoly money. Non-backed currency is a totalitarians wet dream.
Almost everyone has a price, way more effective than threats and domination. Running out? print more, You control the currency you're virtually God, you can bring the country to its knees in a heart beat.

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I give credit and thanks to Tesla as often as possible because the fairy tales I learned in school come nowhere close to reality. Unfortunate so many people believe fairy tales at face value without validation of any sorts other than teacher / news / preacher / politician / scientist said so. "Science" is as bad as religion now days. Degree holder of the holy physics doctrine "Impossible because that defies the law of thermal dynamics, it simply cannot be" Person of intelligence "Have you tried and experimented this in reality?" Scientist "I don't have to, I already know it's impossible. I have a doctorate degree"
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PS, love your social curiosity Scott. Your fiddle music is beautiful. You mention CA mj legalization. Which !$%*!$%*!$ into almost all negative comments to include "those stoners". What gets me is all those caffeine sugar water drinkers. Don't get me started with the ones with black shoe laces, I mean geez there uh shoe laces are so black look how lazy it makes them, bums need a haircut. Cannabis has been synonymous with intellectual and creative types since recorded history despite what the movie "Reefer Madness" portrays. Please start a gateway argument so I can beat you down with your taboo stupidity.

Wow, stepping off soapbox now. No more I promise :)
 
 
Oct 12, 2011
A PERSON can be very smart. However, the real problem is PEOPLE are dumb. The average Joe's brain is just a pea between the reality creators of this country. Jesus Christ and Gautama Buddha could run as candidates and would be picked apart as if they were the legion of evil. I mean Jesus and his bootlegging and unlicensed medical practice. Then you have lazy Buddha over there just sits there all day, not to mention his anorexia issue and psychotic hallucinations.

Why do you think they are called "elitists" ? It's not an insulting word... Definition... The VERY best of the best.

Basically it's herd thinning time and it will only get worse. There are too many slaves (working class). Even upon a full scale revolt what are the slaves going to do without the elite masters to show them the way? (most politicians are not the elite masters BTW, just more paper salves).
Our founding fathers were well read intellectuals, essentially the elites in America of their time. The problem is gov did too good a job making the country dumb, docile slave pea brains.

You might be a slave pea brain and heading to the slaughter if...

-You watch TV (esp. the news)
-Listen to the radio
-Know more than 3 songs on the top 10 list
-Own Apple products because you "think different"
-Allow a religion to stop your personal growth (living in a strictly defined box)
-Take ANYTHING you hear or read as absolute truth, with no extra verification or research what-so-ever
-No marketable skill, the I worked there 20 years pulling that lever and they replaced my overpaid union butt with a machine that pays for itself in a couple months compared to my overpriced salary or some Chinese slave will do it cheaper. Say John and Chan on a corner selling car washes. For John to wash your car you'll need to sign contract to come back every week, still requires pay if he's not feeling up to washing your car today, plus a healthcare package. Even if John pi88es on your hood to rinse it he still gets 2 more strikes before you can get rid of him without getting sued. PLUS for the all these great things that come with John you have to pay 10x as much wait 2x as long. Chan here though does an excellent job with no commitment. With these considerations I doubt anyone would go to John over Chan. No? Is that a Walmart bag in your hand?

Democrat, Republican, Liberal, Conservative it does not matter. They are merely labels for the masters to perpetuate the show. Everyone loves their favorite team, it may even start to define them.

To be a smarter fool understand...
-Foolishness is part of the human condition no getting away from that, your reality can change tomorrow
-If you do not program your own mind, the world will program it for you.
-If you see everyone going North, go South.
-Be able to do what the average cannot and you'll have opportunity for a lifetime.

BTW Scott, with posts like these you probably have a dedicated agent on the CRAY or are you just playing decoy stirring up the herd so the wolf pack can take down the foolish bull in confusion? Organize and become a viable threat and your the new al qaeda squashed like a bug on the windshield of the patriot act and possibly not even aware your opposition is aware, ever see a hotdog in a microwave? Invisible process with impressive results.

Only hope of peace is ignore the panic and look within yourself. Learn from the past being a martyr will do no good. If you want control become an elite, want peaceful bliss then be self sufficient in the country side or do like expected and tear down fellow slaves in misery for mere scraps. You can't change the the way the wind blows, however you can change the way you set your sails.

If there is a flaw with what I say please correct me, the more perspectives you can look at something the more truth & lies you will find. No person or groups words should be accepted as absolute truth.
 
 
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Oct 11, 2011
" The other way is to change the system to make it worth the extra taxes. I'll gladly pay 5% more in taxes in exchange for a better system of government, under the theory that a better government will create a better economy and give me a return on my investment."
Good point Scott, but...
The biggest problem we have is that most voters (probably including you) don't know what the government does or what their money goes to.
6.4% of the income of workers (except the rich) goes to pay for Social Security, this is matched by a 6.4% tax on employers. In both cases, there is a big exception in that income over about $100,000 isn't taxed (meaning corperations get a tax break on paying the CEO lots of money, but not on paying a janator more).
1.45% of all income of workers goes to medicare/medicaid, again matched by the employer.
These two account for 40% of taxes in the nation.
Income tax rates are a big issue, but income taxes only raise about 40% of the money the government collects. $900 billion of a 14.5 trillion GDP, or about 6% of the GDP. Since the GDP is the "earnings," of the nation, that means income taxes are at about 6% (compare to Social Security). Granted, the income tax rate hurts the rich more and the poor less, rich folks might only get $2 of every $3 they earn, but that is better than not earning it, right? But in practice the effective tax rate is much lower than the official top rate (ask Warren Buffett).
Now, on to spending. Social Security and Medicare are about 40% of the budget-and are supposed to be, they spend what they earn in theory (in practice we borrowed the savings of those programs to spend on nukes during Reagan's term, so the trust funds are kinda empty).
The military is a third of what is left, or closer to half once you take out unemployment (paid by unemployment taxes on corporations that lay off workers) and interest on the debt.
Now we can debate the worth of having a military that can beat China's, but having to borrow money from China to pay for it, but frankly, most attacks on federal spending work out to either an attack on the military, or an attack on Social Security that is carefully disguised so that you don't lose the old folks vote.
So Scott, if you want a smaller federal government, which of those two are you attacking?
 
 
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Oct 11, 2011
The only way to have a government "immune to financial corruption" is to remove people from it and have it operated entirely by computers. But then we just end up with that whole SkyNet thing, and no one wants to go down that road.
 
 
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Oct 11, 2011
China Prediction.
Government can't sustain the growth for some reason (it is unsustainable long term, just like the housing boom the tech boom etc was unsustainable or ANY boom is unsustainable) people become unhappy. They get a new government... the only way they can in a country without a method of peaceful political change. Revolution. I'd say 15 years.
 
 
Oct 11, 2011
I didn't suggested that 30% of Chinese were subsistence farmers BECAUSE of the Chinese system. Just that the Chinese system has a massive number of unemployed people -- subsistence farmers as an example, exist entirely outside of the economic system.

And I think it's obvious that if 30% of the world's suicides are committed by 20% of the world's population, that suicide is not representative of the population. Punching these numbers into a calculator, it looks like Chinese commit suicide about 71% more often than the rest-of-the-world as an average.
 
 
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Oct 11, 2011
Maybe you have heard of the "Piratenpartei" (The Pirate Party), it is a new political party in Germany that jumped from zero to 8 percent in the Berlin elections a few weeks ago. The interesting thing about it is that tey do not have a political program (besides "free internet" for everybody), but what they do have is real online participation. Party meetings are held online and decisions are voted online immediately, where all members can participate. A little bit like your "Internet government", allthough it is only one party.

I am not a great fan of China. Their economy is doing extremely well up till now, but the way political opponents are treated is a k.o. in my opinion. Just recently they proposed legislation that makes the disappearance of suspects legal:
http://www.hrw.org/news/2011/09/01/china-don-t-legalize-secret-detention


 
 
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Oct 11, 2011
[I propose a ban on corporate donations to politicians and PACs.]

Don't forget unions since they are just as selfish as "big" corporations. It should also be more limited in that no one is allowed to contribute to any in any manner (services, money, resources) to a politician. Maybe allow a maximum of $500 one time cash contribution.

Stumbled across a few videos of Union professors teaching and promoting violence to forward their goals. It is noted in the video that at least one of the professors is a communist. The real threats to the Constitution and freedom are the Unions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1U7SfNjXdB0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKkahXJ8BdY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjU8psjeHIQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMzjCdXRLeg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-hJU04Kf7Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AE4HnM7cSE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pdgslmALB8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwDz9Z5jk4g
http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2011/09/judge_fines_longshore_union_25.html (ahhhhh Union vs. Union)


http://occupywallst.org/ (I laughed so hard on how one sided, and extremely biased, this site is. I'm pretty sure they purposely left out a few details and made others up).
 
 
Oct 11, 2011
Drowlord [oct 11, 1st comment]:

"Over 30% of the population lives on subsistence farms (basically unemployed, growing enough food to stave off starvation)"

This, and many of your other points, is flawed. Nobody who is on the brink of starvation turns abruptly to subsistence farming; these people have been farming for generations. Their lives are not "suffering from the system" just because the entire population of China has not yet been modernized. And on that note, stating that 30% of suicides worldwide occur in China neglects the fact that 20% of the world's population lives there. (Is that still high? I don't know.)

There are several bad sides to China's system, and also to America's, but if you really want to point out the bad sides at least stick to the ones that make sense.
 
 
Oct 11, 2011
Drowlord [oct 11, 1st comment]:

"Over 30% of the population lives on subsistence farms (basically unemployed, growing enough food to stave off starvation)"

This, and many of your other points, is flawed. Nobody who is on the brink of starvation turns abruptly to subsistence farming; these people have been farming for generations. Their lives are not "suffering from the system" just because the entire population of China has not yet been modernized. And on that note, stating that 30% of suicides worldwide occur in China neglects the fact that 20% of the world's population lives there. (Is that still high? I don't know.)

There are several bad sides to China's system, and also to America's, but if you really want to point out the bad sides at least stick to the ones that make sense.
 
 
Oct 11, 2011
Not sure why you're so impressed with China...

Unemployment for city residents is cited as high as 4.8%, but estimated at 9% if you count "migrant workers" who don't legally reside in those cities. At least 25% of college graduates are still unemployed a year after graduation.

Over 30% of the population lives on subsistence farms (basically unemployed, growing enough food to stave off starvation) without access to electricity or clean water.

Government programs have led to widespread female infanticide, leaving roughly 20% of the male population unable to marry. China has the world's highest suicide rate, with over 30% of the world's suicides occurring in China. China is the only country in the world where female suicides outnumber male suicides, and studies show that 3x as many females commit suicide as males in rural areas. Male suicide is at one of the highest rates in the world, too.

In short, regardless of how well government finance is managed, I wouldn't say the government is working very well for the people of China.
 
 
Oct 11, 2011
Scott said:
"I like the idea of states operating as test sites for social and economic programs"

I really think you've hit on something here. Say Massachusetts was the test state for "Medicare for Everyone". Then every 6 months shut the program down and make California the test state. Then set up toll booths on the Interstate and --bingo-- budget deficit solved. For more revenue these tollbooths could charge extra for sick children.

And if that doesn't bring down the deficit enough, we could pair up Texas and Minnesota for free abortions. New York and Arizona as flat tax zones. Oregon and Florida for legalized pot. Keep the exact switchover date for the last one a bit fuzzy and the gov't could make some huge revenue in Portland when the stoners try to score a day late.

 
 
Oct 11, 2011
OWS is a joke - these people should be in front of the White House, The FED, and CONgress instead. We will see how many of them stick around when the weather gets really nasty.

The most hilarious is when a celebrity shows up an the crowd goes nuts. Hmm, maybe they are just trying to guess which Wall St bank is managing that celeb's money? NOT!

They are against corporate greed, but in the crowd you can easily spot laptops and phones made by the 2nd largest company in the USA.

I admire their passion - but ut us mis-directed. Go after the GOVERNMENT, not Wall Street.
 
 
Oct 11, 2011
The biggest problems with our political system is that it's been insulated from new political parties (and hence new political movements), and punishes any ideology that puts up a candidate. As Nasch pointed out, a political party LIKE the democrats would only split the democratic vote and guarantee a Republican victory. (or vice versa)

This whole problem can be fixed rather comprehensively by a ranked voting system. I can't believe that this idea doesn't get more publicity from people advocating reform.

The crux being that you can vote your favorite, second favorite, and so on candidates, and when the vote is tallied, the biggest loser is discounted and their votes are redistributed to the others per their voter's ranking. This continues until there are two candidates, and then the winner has a majority.

You could actually vote for the people YOU WANT, instead of VOTING AGAINST the people you fear or dislike.
 
 
 
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